tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post3772789166935173855..comments2023-10-31T20:44:42.875+05:30Comments on Cricketkeeper: Odious ODIs v Terrific T20sAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-7478516614791092882007-10-29T20:37:00.000+05:302007-10-29T20:37:00.000+05:30Its like many teachers - the really smart teachers...<I>Its like many teachers - the really smart teachers cannot understand why you don't understand. The ones who had to struggle to learn it themselves were usually the best at passing on the information in a digestible way. The great players cannot understand why everyone else doesn't find it as easy.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Well said Stuart.Soulberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15830619858224129215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-72008664692912452532007-10-28T11:34:00.000+05:302007-10-28T11:34:00.000+05:30Geoff Lawson made good points, that does not compu...Geoff Lawson made good points, that does not compute.Jrodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02855673052242389414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-64907291791218432572007-10-27T16:44:00.000+05:302007-10-27T16:44:00.000+05:30Brian Lara is another example of a great player / ...Brian Lara is another example of a great player / poor captain.<BR/><BR/>Its like many teachers - the really smart teachers cannot understand why you don't understand. The ones who had to struggle to learn it themselves were usually the best at passing on the information in a digestible way. The great players cannot understand why everyone else doesn't find it as easy.<BR/><BR/>Lawson made on other interesting comment - he said that Chappell's long series of ducks back in the early 80s was great, as he finally understood what it was like to be fallible.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864747766699243728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-48719479136769901022007-10-26T22:03:00.000+05:302007-10-26T22:03:00.000+05:30soulberry, lack of empowerment and support is the ...soulberry, lack of empowerment and support is the bane of many things in our country. unfortunately, as commentators we can only comment on what we see on the field, and only indirectly link the flops to the administrators and selectors, while the players catch the bulk of the flak. and so it goes on. one day i'll switch to watching baseball, or become an aussie fan.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-74434811521013625442007-10-26T21:35:00.000+05:302007-10-26T21:35:00.000+05:30Sumit, the latest is BCCI delays selection till af...Sumit, the latest is BCCI delays selection till after the Pak ODI series. How brainless is that! A captain needs time to plan/plot for a test match.Soulberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15830619858224129215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-25515119423719531692007-10-26T14:40:00.000+05:302007-10-26T14:40:00.000+05:30stuart, another great player who has been very poo...stuart, another great player who has been very poor as captain, both for india as well as mumbai, is sachin tendulkar. i think it also has something to do with the tendency of such great players to be controllers rather than facilitators and enhancers, which is what the great coaches doAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-42269411565174004412007-10-26T14:38:00.000+05:302007-10-26T14:38:00.000+05:30yes, vidooshak, simpson's the exception that prove...yes, vidooshak, simpson's the exception that proves the rule, although he made little difference during his india stint...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-10200006739238987652007-10-26T07:20:00.000+05:302007-10-26T07:20:00.000+05:30Interesting insight into great players making less...Interesting insight into great players making less than stellar coaches and vice versa. Perhaps the exception to this was Simpson, who was no mean player/captain himself and a very successful coach.<BR/><BR/>In general, I suppose mediocre players have to teach themselves cricket, while the great ones are born with the skills.Vidooshakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194362115018768416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-8538863569133381642007-10-26T06:38:00.000+05:302007-10-26T06:38:00.000+05:30The point about great players not making great coa...The point about great players not making great coaches is a particularly good one. John Buchanan (very limited first class player) has been followed by Tim Neilson. Tom Moody, John Dyson, Dav Whatmore - all good players with serious limitations.<BR/><BR/>How many great tennis or golf coaches were great players themselves? Its not common - most of the leading coaches are not ex-players. Great players don't always understand why lesser players can't match their standards. Geoff Lawson always said that Kim Hughes was a better captain than Greg Chappell in many ways, cause Chappell simply couldn't relate to non-greats.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864747766699243728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-81556562639577856532007-10-25T22:37:00.000+05:302007-10-25T22:37:00.000+05:30The limit on each team playing only seven T20s a y...The limit on each team playing only seven T20s a year makes zero sense, given the popularity of the format. The costs of staging a T20 as opposed to a 50-50 have to be lower. The upside seems to be that you don't have to skip work to go watch a night T20 game, so its likely that we will have full stadia..I don't get it.Vidooshakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194362115018768416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-19077804781141510702007-10-25T14:51:00.000+05:302007-10-25T14:51:00.000+05:30soulberry/stuart: yes i remember a former south au...soulberry/stuart: yes i remember a former south australia player's interview in which he spoke of how greg had destroyed a number of promising careers. the lesson is that great players rarely make great coaches. the best coaches in fact are those who have spent more time studying the game than playing it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-87399648006405550552007-10-25T14:43:00.000+05:302007-10-25T14:43:00.000+05:30soulberry, ya both cricket and india will benefit ...soulberry, ya both cricket and india will benefit from liposuction :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-53590748943516514822007-10-25T07:59:00.000+05:302007-10-25T07:59:00.000+05:30The really funny part about Greg Chappell was that...<I>The really funny part about Greg Chappell was that everyone in Australia would have told India not to do it.</I><BR/><BR/>Stuart, I was shooed out of BCC threads, club discussions, and sneered at in certain cricketing places when I wove an argument around South Australia just prior to Greg Chappell's appointment.<BR/><BR/>I had chanced upon an Australian site then (can't remember now which one) which tracked GC in detail. It was a blog and was very detailed in its perspectives on GC from a SA pov. Well researched too and with links to every salient point of reference.<BR/><BR/>Included also were interviews with some SA players...some of who were dropped or left the team then.<BR/><BR/>But I do not disagree entirely with the overall picture Greg painted...he didn't do it right and timed it all wrong. Surprising for a master-bat like him. There are important nuggets too one can work on in one's own way and pace.<BR/><BR/>I am glad finally sense prevailed on the GC issue and now he's safely esconsed in CA.Soulberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15830619858224129215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-10521565661974219182007-10-25T07:44:00.000+05:302007-10-25T07:44:00.000+05:30I took my time in responding to this article ( fin...I took my time in responding to this article ( fine analysis again ) because it questions some established "facts" and a position has to be taken.<BR/><BR/>It shouldn't be too difficult taking a stand on limited overs - I'd give up 90% of them for a few extra test matches anyday, yet such is life and we have to play ball with it even if it is akin to a concentration camp environment where the choice of prisoners is made by the warders.<BR/><BR/>Your articles have a connection and an obvious conclusion....the answer to this question are those - Why did India succeed so spectatcularly and unexpectedly in T20?<BR/><BR/>That's the question your sequence of articles raised in my mind. The answer is obvious - liposuction!<BR/><BR/>India fiddles Nero-like in the middle overs of a 50-50...much more than others do. The results are there for all to see. <BR/><BR/>I think the argument for virile and slimmer youth over aged obesity should rest here on this point.<BR/><BR/>In 50-50 (will not go away in a hurry till either England or Australia win the T20 WC), post liposuction of an Indian team, the youth could well dilly as the elders dallied but one can be certain their dillying will be more conclusive (either way)than the certainity of the current dallying.Soulberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15830619858224129215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-70828697470616354892007-10-23T14:19:00.000+05:302007-10-23T14:19:00.000+05:30stuart, you're probably right, australia will prob...stuart, you're probably right, australia will probably continue to dominate the game, not because of superior talent alone, but their superior administration compared to all other boards, especially the indians and pakistanis. your point about how the indian board made a poor choice in picking chappell, and a mistake in rejecting whatmore is a case in point.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-81650544208112802602007-10-23T11:30:00.000+05:302007-10-23T11:30:00.000+05:30""They sent a double agent in the form of Greg Cha...""They sent a double agent in the form of Greg Chappell, who destroyed and systematically demoralised the Indian team.""<BR/><BR/>I love it :)<BR/><BR/>The really funny part about Greg Chappell was that everyone in Australia would have told India not to do it. He had coached South Australia for a number of seasons, and managed to get to finish second in most games. It was clear that India could have picked much better.<BR/><BR/>Dav Whatmore on the other hand is a bloody good coach. You guys could do much worse than pick him.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864747766699243728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-19243725308967966072007-10-23T10:25:00.000+05:302007-10-23T10:25:00.000+05:30Stuart,Australia won the 2007, purely because of t...Stuart,<BR/><BR/>Australia won the 2007, purely because of their off-field tactics.<BR/><BR/>They sent a double agent in the form of Greg Chappell, who destroyed and systematically demoralised the Indian team.<BR/><BR/>But for this sly tactics, we would have certainly won the Cup. :))<BR/><BR/>Seriously,The Sri Lankan team is a bunch of flat track bullies.<BR/><BR/>They are just pretenders, who got lucky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-9595940162696310302007-10-23T05:50:00.000+05:302007-10-23T05:50:00.000+05:30:) I have been hearing about Australia's decline i...:) I have been hearing about Australia's decline in ODIs even since Warnie missed the 2003 World Cup. I think that Australia's display at the 2007 World Cup was one of the clearest examples of their overall dominance of the game at the moment.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, the wheel always turns and Australia is going to fall from their present peak. I can still remember (try as I can to purge the memories) the mid 80s, when we were probably the worst team in the world. I hope that we never fall that far again.<BR/><BR/>It would be good for world cricket to see other teams step up to match Australia, rather than waiting for them to decline. Sides such India and England have shown that they can do it for short periods - here's hoping that the future has a number of years in which no team is truly dominant.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08864747766699243728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-59506282371196004412007-10-22T19:49:00.000+05:302007-10-22T19:49:00.000+05:30actually, australia i don't think is any longer do...actually, australia i don't think is any longer dominant in odi cricket too. i doubt they would've won the series in india if gambhir and rohit had played in place of a couple of the seniors.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821416119468033047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8849075500349229100.post-335862558730458372007-10-22T19:41:00.000+05:302007-10-22T19:41:00.000+05:30It has also put paid to Australia dominance.I thin...It has also put paid to Australia dominance.<BR/><BR/>I think it is the beginning of the end (Australia's domination)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com